A251 - A261 Ganz Mavag

[christo]

Handrails, visible panels and grilles, correct spring orientation on bogies and excellent motion. There will be a lot of OSE Fuggerth models on ebay at the end of July

christo.

[Arallis]

Test on the tracks with heavy load.

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[BarbaPanagos]

This is a really long train!!! Great.

[BarbaPanagos]

The MTB model is just great!
The only thing I could complain is the number. We already had an A261...

available at erail https://www.erail.gr/

[Pierre B]

Very nice new models from MTB !

Greek A 258 diesel-hydraulic locomotive on trial run in Hungary at Székesfehérvár station in 1983 (Type DHM7-9, 100 km/h, 1800 HP Ganz-MÁVAG - S.E.M.T. Pielstick Type 12 PA4-185 prime mover, built by Ganz-MÁVAG in 1983) (fotó: Novák András)

Greek AA 17x driving trailer of AA 9x DMU (140 km/h, 1140 HP Ganz-MÁVAG - SEMT-Pielstick Type 8 PA4-185 prime mover and 130 HP Rába-MAN Type D 2156 HM6U auxiliary diesel-engine with an aggregate in the underframe of buffet car, built by Ganz-MÁVAG in 1976) and A 254 diesel-hydraulic locomotive (Type DHM7-9, 100 km/h, 1800 HP Ganz-MÁVAG - S.E.M.T.-Pielstick Type 12PA4 185 VG prime mover, built by Ganz-MÁVAG in 1982) at Volos station in June 1999. Photo Reményi Gyula

[gbako77]

Hi everybody,

I saw on e-rail that apart from A261, MTB is planning to release A254 loco as well, and from what I see on the graph, with a slightly different appearance (blue stripe over the side grilles, ?more light blue livery).

I have seen photos of several Ganz locos but cannot understand which painting represents which era:
A258 as depicted above in Székesfehérvár in 1983 or A255 in Volos 1982 look identical to the current A261 MTB model but the A251 when leaving construction factory has the blue stripe over the side grilles. Furthermore, some OSE locos (A 261, A254 in 1999 in Volos) have a different variant (blue underframe and boggies - same as AA's, with and without the blue stripe), but I cannot understand if this is a late 90's-2000 livery or was present to some locos already from mid 80s (?A261).

Does anyone have any further comment on that?

1. Which era do you think these two liveries represent (80's Vs late 90's or not necessarily)?
Fuggerth's A258 and A 261 are a perfect example of the two different livery versions I am talking about but Fuggerth categorized both to era IV/V.

2. Would that mean that A 254 model will have blue under-frame and boggies as well?
I emailed MTB but received no answer so far.

Best,

Georgios

[BarbaPanagos]

Hi Georgie and welcome again.

In the original livery lower sides, frame and bogies were grey.
At some point that, assuming from photos, I think it was 1988-89, grey color was replaced by pale/light blue in a different than the main color shade.
It seems that by 1990 (changing point between eras IV/V) not all locos have been repainted and I don't know if and when that happened for all of them.
So, probably, Fuggerth correctly categorized both of them to era IV/V.

About the MTB 254 livery, you better ask erail

I hope I have answered most of your questions

Panagiotis

[STEFANOS G]

I would like to contribute three photos of hellenic M41, taken at Ganz factories during delivery period in 1983.
These photos came on my archive from Mr Christodoulos Christodoulou, founder of OSE museum, who was member in acceptance comitee.
He told me that they tried to find steep raillines in Hungary to perfom the acceptance trials.
Mr Christodoulou is a very significant man for railways history in Greece.

Mr Christodoulou, third from the right, Volos 60s

[BarbaPanagos]

Amazing photos!!! Really thank you Stefane!

[gbako77]

More than enough,

Many thanks Panagioti,

Merry Christmas to all