OSE PAFAWAG 5173 2040 261-272 Bm & 5173 3040 141-148 ABm carriages

[christo]

An idea to meditate...

Iossif as the sign says, I never proceed unless...

christo.

[jsimantov]

The term 'meditate' included investigating for the authorization process!

In other words, see if there is an interest for such a venture.

BTW, does anybody have a photo or diagram of the bogie? It looks very 'Görlitz-like', which could facilitate the issue...

Iossif

[christo]

Iossif, I always value your comments even if I fool around sometimes. Now, joking apart, these carriages were hard to find in the nineties when I had chased, with film + camera, the majority of my railway subjects.

Photo Balkanmodels: Spring 1985 over the footbridge at the carriage Shed Thessaloniki. Amongst other carriages, the one with the open doors is a Pafawag. The Poznan coupled to the CIWL sleeper looks like that it had its solebars painted black (to enlighten the discussion of the other topic on the Tillig models).

christo.

[christo]

Photo Phil Wormald taken March 1988. Baby Alco with a pair of PAFAGWAGs on tow. I never saw two of them coupled next to each other. Lucky Phil.

christo.

[Sky]

christo, do you have more photos of ABm carriages?

[christo]

I am sorry Sky but I haven't. These carriages were hard to find in the eighties when I started photographing. I expect they were being replaced then by newer ones. New carriages in Greece on the whole will start their career with long distance services and end it with short local services.

christo.

[Pierre B]

Photo by Wolfgang Böhme in September 1964 in Köln Hbf

Please note that the mentioned dimensions are probably incorrect. It seems that the Greek carriages were 24.5 m long. The drawing is that of similar style JŽ carriages.

[christo]

Thanks Pierre, what a treasure!

christo.

[jsimantov]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks, Pierre, for your contribution! it's interesting to see the 'poloneza' still carrying the original intercommunicators (which I had not noticed at that time, since all my attention was focused on the La or the Lg locomotive at the head of the trains...)
For the anecdote, those intercommunicators were usually referred to by the railwaymen as 'φυσούνες' (bellows, like those on old photo cameras), or 'φυσαρμόνικα' (harmonica), the latter term also used frequently to describe a car damaged in an accident...

Pierre, I have a slightly off-topic question for you, but you can reply offline: do you know the JZ numbers of these carriages?

FYI, I recall having seen in the '80s also a couchette version of these carriages(ΚΟΛΑ CO ΛΕΓΛΑ), registered in the Skopje district zone (ŽTO Skopje). They were sometimes part of the international trains to Athens, but usually they were replaced in Skopje by a Belgrade-based GOŠA Couchette carriage (KOLA SA LEŽAJIMA), the unfortunate uninformed passengers having to transfer all their luggage to the newer carriage during the stop at Skopje...

ATB,
Iossif

[Mon]

....do you know the JZ numbers of these carriages?
FYI, I recall having seen in the '80s also a couchette version of these carriages (ΚΟΛΑ CO ΛΕΓΛΑ), registered in the Skopje district zone (ŽTO Skopje). They were sometimes part of the international trains to Athens ...

I will post lite Off Topic too.
The first link shows the Goša X couchette Bcm 51 72 59-40 801-4 JŽ ŽTO Sk as a part of Hellas Express, pictured in Athens, 1983 (check the 2nd post on that side).
https://amnizia.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&start=2805&t=107470&sid=d0e31719e8bb399d1e9fa766053104ad

The second link shows MŽ couchette Bcm 50 65 59-10 800-2 in the years after the breakup of YU.
If we change the codes 50 & 65 to 51 & 72 maybe we will get a JŽ carriage . It looks like this one (MŽ) is produced by PAFAWAG but I am not sure.
https://s820.photobucket.com/user/Vladi ... sort=3&o=9

I hope I helped a little bit.