Steam locomotives Identification

[BarbaPanagos]

as I have a lot of homework to do on the subject could you identify this one?

Tessaloniki 1912

photo frm the fb https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

[christo]

BarbaPanagos, please put photo in here viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303 it is a SEK Δζ exSM ESSLINGEN 1892/4

christo.

[BarbaPanagos]

thanks Christo, I've done so, but let's keep this subject too
I might need it again


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[BarbaPanagos]

any idea about this one? it seems to be at the Northern Greece after the Balkan Wars
the caption is: Military personnel and civilians in front of the steam engine, 1910-1920

[jsimantov]

Hi Folks,

Now, this is a real puzzle...

One thing is certain, this is neither a Greek, nor Bulgarian nor Serbian locomotive...

Based on the locomotive face ('fatsa' in plain old greek) which is distinctly Borsig, and the Turkish pre-TCDD number board, I believe I can trace it to the old Turkish Bagdad Railway.

This would mean that the picture was shot during the Asia Minor campaign at an unknown locality, presumably along the Bagdad Railway, which was essentially german-built (hence the completely out-of-context building!).

I must confess I have been unable to trace the number '142'... however, if my assumption is true, the Bagdad railway had an important number of these Mogul (2-6-0 or 1'C) engines, and many of them survived in TCDD times. Now, the TCDD were known for frequently renumbering their locomotives, and this road number may represent an intermediate or transitional assignment; maybe another member of the forum more familiar with the TCDD roster can help us shed more light on the issue.

Iossif

[BarbaPanagos]

Hi Iossif,

Guess you are right! I have googled that Borsig 2-6-0 and I came over this photo

Konya 10 March 1977, 1911 built 2-6-0 by Borsig photo: Robin Lush http://www.1974.trainsofturkey.com/robi ... m_pix6.htm

I have also placed this photo at Amnizia, G.Handrinos suggested that this was a Krauss Maffei 0-8-0, and posted a Manufacturer photo

I copy his exact words. It's interesting that your approach is almost the same you have even started in a similar way!!! guess is a matter of knowledge and experience!

"Να ενα ωραιο τεστ για ολους μας: Τι ατμαμαξα ειναι αυτη? Και που μπορει να ειναι φωτογραφημενη? Η φωτο αυτη με απασχολησε αρκετο καιρο και προκαλεσε και καποιες διαφωνιες μεταξυ φιλων. Τελικα κατεληξα οτι προκειται για Krauss Maffei 0-8-0 των Ανατολικων Σιδηροδρομων της Μικρας Ασιας. Πιστευω, συνεπως πως η φωτο τραβηχτηκε πιθανοτατα στην Σμυρνη στα 1920-22, οταν δηλαδη βρισκοταν εκει ο Ελληνικος Στρατος (εξ ου και οι αξιωματικοι με τις κυριες που ποζαρουν)"

what do you think?

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[christo]

Iossif,
Checking for number 142 in pre TCDD days I found that the number belonged to a class of Henschel built locomotives for the Anatolian Railways but it was a 2-8-0. The loco does have a "German" face but the door in the cab follows American practice. I agree that it is not a BDZ engine but I do not know enough about Serbian engines at that time.
And two more things. The building in the background looks like Western Macedonia while the loco stands off a turntable. How many stations had one? Amyntaion?

christo.

[BarbaPanagos]

Jason knows where such a building is, I think it's a water tower and there are two of the type in Northern Greece.
Though I guess it's a common type in todays Turkey...


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[Andreas]

According to E. Talbot "Steam in Turkey" number 142 is a Henschel 2-8-0 belonging to the batch of locomotives 137-146 with work no. 10233-10242 and were delivered to the Anatolian Railway (CFOA) in 1910. There was another batch of these locomotives that probably came to the TCDD from the Bagdad railway and were carrying the numbers 147-152. All the locomotives afterwards were classified as TCDD 45101. According to Trainsofturkey they were withdrawn by 1956.

Hope that helps.

Edit: Turntable and a watertower in similar arrangement was at Drama. The watertower of this style is of course long gone.

[jsimantov]

Hi again,

Actually these locomotives were not real 2-8-0s (or 1'Ds); they had three coupled drivers and, between the second and the third, they had, at least in the beginning, a small carrying wheel. So, the real wheel arrangement would be something like 1'B'1A...

A number of pix exists, showing these locomotives with this wheel arrangement; presumably later, the intermediate carrying wheel was removed, possibly because the lines were upgraded and they could support a heavier axle load.

Anyway, thanx to all for the additional infos.

Iossif