A251 - A261 Ganz Mavag

[jonmood]

No NEM.

[christo]

OK jonmood. On my two old Fuggerths I used some Roco close coupling retrofit kits. I am afraid I did not write down the ref. number. Roco used to produce a lot of them to upgrade all their rolling stock to close coupling standards. The ones I used they had little plastic whiskers so that the head always returns to the straight position.

Another alternative would be to use Ribu 502 http://www.rietze-shop.de/ug_Zubehoer-R ... 3-361.html . I use this on the Alsthom.

Or two small lengths of rectangular brass tubing with soft wire whiskers soldered to it to act as the returning spring.

Or ditto with plastic tubing and fine rod.

christo.

[jonmood]

Thanks Christo for your suggestions but I think I found a way to fit the kadee on that strange drawer-like pocket that fuggerth has.
The coupler is working when coupling and uncoupling while there is also no trouble on small radius curves (50cm).
I think that Barbapanagos will be happy too...

[Dimitris]

The loco have the old gearbox but one flywheel
and with (ESU decoder) runs the loco good.

Andy, Christo, Panagiotis and Jonmood, is the loco having a smooth motion, like TENSHODO-motors, MASHIMA-motors, FAULHABER-motors, when running on d.c. - analogue, too? Or not? Meaning that it has frequent stops.. I want to know for sure, as it would be definetely in my layout. I know it has a BUHLER-motor as I read in previous posts in this topic.

I don't have yet a D.C.C. (decoder, sound-decoder, D.C.C.-transformer), but I will make my layout like that. However, I only care about the ESU decoders (both D.C.C. & Sound-decoders) as they can work either in analogue/ and or in digital, I think... An example is FULGUREX that does that to its NEW models, so they are not D.C.C. ready, but D.C.C. complete with ESU decoders.

Dimitris

[Andreas]

Andy, Christo, Panagiotis and Jonmood, is the loco having a smooth motion, like TENSHODO-motors, MASHIMA-motors, FAULHABER-motors, when running on d.c. - analogue, too? Or not? Meaning that it has frequent stops.. I want to know for sure, as it would be definetely in my layout. I know it has a BUHLER-motor as I read in previous posts in this topic.

I don't have yet a D.C.C. (decoder, sound-decoder, D.C.C.-transformer), but I will make my layout like that. However, I only care about the ESU decoders (both D.C.C. & Sound-decoders) as they can work either in analogue/ and or in digital, I think... An example is FULGUREX that does that to its NEW models, so they are not D.C.C. ready, but D.C.C. complete with ESU decoders.

Hi Dimitris,

your message is difficult in meaning. Please rephrase it because it is hardly understandable but I will try to give some explanations if I understood it correctly. The Fuggerth loco runs ok but not very smooth. It has a noisy gearbox, which is on the other hand reliable. Sorry but reading about TENSHODO I only laugh... TENSHODO are far the worst mechanisms that I ever had and would never ever buy them again. When Christo was thinking of making his Ganz DMU with Tenshodo I pleaded him to change his mind toward Halling, which he did....The motor of the Fuggerth loco is what we would say in Greek "marka mekapses" and not even Bueheler and of course it cannot be compared with Faulhaber, Maxxon, Mashima or even 5 pole Roco.

ESU decoders are not the only one that can run on DC and DCC layouts. ALL DECODERS today have automatic recognition of the mode and you do not need to programme anything. ESU decoders are good (I mostly use them because they are readily available in my supplier here in Zurich) but also other brands like ZIMO, Tams and Digitraxx have very good reputation. What I do not recommend from personal experience is Uhlenbrock. The Fuggerth loco runs fairly well with a ESU Lokpilot 4.0 decoder and I can say that because I have 3 of them all equipped with that decoder. Bigger problem is the istallation of DCC in models with Corlless motors e.g. Faulhaber as not all decoders support such motors...although I think that nowadays this problem has also been solved. FYI I use a Digitraxx central station with FREMO FREDIs and Loconet.

Cheers
Andreas

[Dimitris]

Andreas,

1./ When I mean to run both on D.C. & D.C.C., I mean that the locomotive to be able to run on D.C. (analogue) with my old LIMA analogue transformer (as I don't have a D.C.C. yet, and I am willing to buy a D.C.C & Sound-Decoders for my locos + D.C.C. controller/station), although it hasn't (D.C.C. ready) / or has both the D.C.C. and Sound-Decoder inside it (D.C.C. complete). DIGITRAX and ESU do that.
2./ I know very well that DIGITRAX, is excellent, but as it will be the first time I will use D.D.C. in my life (till now I used only my old LIMA (1983) anlogue-transformer from starter-set: min. voltage: 5Volts - I have 2 of them), is it better to use ESU, or DIGITRAX? Do you recon also to try ZIMO or TAMS, too? Or concentrate on either ESU or DIGITRAX? I think the latter (ESU or DIGITRAX) are the best.
3./ Does it worth it to buy this model? Cause as you say it runs smooth with ESU Lokpilot 4.0.
4./ However, the springs of the primary-syspension, are in 45 degrees, not as our prototype that are vertically, but that doesn't matter to me, as it's very pretty model. I like it!
5./ I really want to be sure what to use, either DIGITRAX, or ESU, for not making any problems to the whole layout.

Regards,

Dimitris

[Andreas]

Hi Dimitris,

1./ When I mean to run both on D.C. & D.C.C., I mean that the locomotive to be able to run on D.C. (analogue) with my old LIMA analogue transformer (as I don't have a D.C.C. yet, and I am willing to buy a D.C.C & Sound-Decoders for my locos + D.C.C. controller/station), although it hasn't (D.C.C. ready) / or has both the D.C.C. and Sound-Decoder inside it (D.C.C. complete). DIGITRAX and ESU do that.

You wont have a problem with that. All the decoders today have automatic recognition DC and DCC. This means they adapt themselves to that. Of course if you run them on DC you cannot use the adress and the functions but the loco will be running without problems. Dont worry about that.

2./ I know very well that DIGITRAX, is excellent, but as it will be the first time I will use D.D.C. in my life (till now I used only my old LIMA (1983) anlogue-transformer from starter-set: min. voltage: 5Volts - I have 2 of them), is it better to use ESU, or DIGITRAX? Do you recon also to try ZIMO or TAMS, too? Or concentrate on either ESU or DIGITRAX? I think the latter (ESU or DIGITRAX) are the best.

I know that sometimes there could be some slight problems with the CV adjustments of the decoders but DCC is DCC. It is a universal protocol and I never had problems with different decoders. We use in our FREMO yearly gatherings ESU, ZIMO, Digitrax, Tran and other decoders and we never have problems with running. Dont worry about it.

3./ Does it worth it to buy this model? Cause as you say it runs smooth with ESU Lokpilot 4.0.

Worth or not worth...this is a question that is tricky. I have three and now the fourth on order (a new running number just came out). For me the running is acceptable and the new releases are better than the original ones. If you will invest a little bit of time in detailing and weathering I am sure the more would be pretty ok. Dont forget the price.....a roco has manytimes above 200E and this is at 109.

4./ However, the springs of the primary-syspension, are in 45 degrees, not as our prototype that are vertically, but that doesn't matter to me, as it's very pretty model. I like it!

Beats me...you know better than I do in that part....

5./ I really want to be sure what to use, either DIGITRAX, or ESU, for not making any problems to the whole layout.

If you stick to the big players then you wont have a problem. Both are good but Zimo, Tams, Tran will also do the job quite well. I have a digitrax central station and I bought it because of FREMO.

http://www.digitrax.com/products/starter-sets/zepx/

Digitrax is the standard for FREMO and I can use my FREDI so extending the controllers. I bought the Digitrax Zephyr xtra after discussions with friends at FREMO and with a guy that has 3 of them. It is far cheaper than an ESU central station and not so fancy but for me is does the job...

http://fremodcc.sourceforge.net/diy/fred2/fredi_d.html

For any help just write....

Cheers
Andreas

[Dimitris]

Andreas,

Thank you very much for the reply.

I think as you said, I'll stick in the either ESU / and or DIGITRAX, cause these are the big-players, as you said. Yes, the others are good, too, but I prefer them (either ESU / and or DIGITRAX), I was thinking of them for my locomotives for years now.


Dimitris

[Olympus]

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[BarbaPanagos]

Thanks again Andy!


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