OBB carriages in Greece

[BarbaPanagos]

Summer 1995 at Thessaloníki Station, an OBB Bcmz with the 1410/1411 (Thessaloníki - Wien). Next to this is a JZ WRm dinning car.
photo: Fr. Elliott

LS Models 47045, a really great model in HO.

I especially like these OBB coaches, and the new LS models are just fantastic, with all the fine detail we now expect from companies like LS and ACME!
Andy (Olympus) has made a thorough research on the 1410/1411 trains and we have had some long discussion through emails about this lately.

http://hellenicrailwaymodels.blogspot.g ... rains.html
http://www.amnizia.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 7&t=223366
http://www.bahnforum.info/smf/index.php?topic=102128.36

[BarbaPanagos]

the Auto Voz summer train 9210/9211, 1410/1411

1992

9210 Thessaloniki 20.25, Gevgelija 21.30-21.12, Niš, Beograd Centar 7.35-7.50, Subotica 10.29-11.00, Budapest-Keleti pu., Wien Südbf (West) 18.00
9211 Wien Südbf (West) 9.13, Budapest-Keleti pu., Subotica 15.50-16.20, Beograd Centar 18.52-19.05, Niš, Gevgelija 4.08-4.40, Thessaloniki 7.45

Laeq MAV (Budapest - Thessaloniki) runs as needed (facultative)
Bcmz ÖBB 807 runs as needed (facultative)
Bcmz ÖBB 406
Bcmz ÖBB 405
Bcmz ÖBB 404
Bcmz ÖBB 403
WRm MAV
WLABm ÖBB 401
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB

http://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php? ... 0&rok=1992
http://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php? ... 1&rok=1992


1993

1410 Thessaloniki 20.30, Idomeni 21.45-22.25, Gevgelija 21.30-22.20, Tabanovici 1.20-1.34, Presevo 1.44-2.06, Subotica 10.52-11.25, Kelebia 11.35-11.50, Budapest-Ferencváros 14.20-14.35, Hegyeshalom 16.35-17.01, Wien Südbf. 18.00
1411 Wien Südbf. 9.13, Hegyeshalom 10.08-10.33, Budapest-Ferencváros 12.33-12.58, Kelebia 15.20-15.40, Subotica 15.50-16.30, Presevo 1.06-1.21, Tabanovici 1.30-2.00, Gevgelija 5.09-5.40, Idomeni 6.45-7.30, Thessaloniki 8.40

Laeq JZ (Budapest - Thessaloniki) runs as needed (facultative)
Laeq JZ (Budapest - Thessaloniki)
Bc MAV 421 (Budapest - Thessaloniki)
Bcmz ÖBB 807 runs as needed (facultative)
Bcmz ÖBB 406
Bcmz ÖBB 405
Bcmz ÖBB 404
Bcmz ÖBB 403
WRm MAV
WLAB MAV 401
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB

http://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php? ... 0&rok=1994
http://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php? ... 1&rok=1994


1994

Las JZ (Budapest - Thessaloniki)
Bc MAV 421 (Budapest - Thessaloniki)
Bcmz ÖBB 807 runs as needed (facultative)
Bcmz ÖBB 406
Bcmz ÖBB 405
Bcmz ÖBB 404
Bcme ÖBB 403
WRm JZ
WLAB MAV 401
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB


1995

Las JZ (Budapest - Thessaloniki)
Bc MAV 421 (Budapest - Thessaloniki)
Bcmz ÖBB 807 runs as needed (facultative)
Bcmz ÖBB 406
Bcmz ÖBB 405
Bcmz ÖBB 404
Bcme ÖBB 403
WRm JZ
WLAB JZ 401
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB
DDm ÖBB

[christo]

Photo Phil Wormald January 1994

Photo Phil Wormald January 1996

Can anyone identify what model will be suitable for the OBB carriage behind the Alco. Both Phil's photos are of the Hellas 334 leaving NES Thessaloniki for Idomeni.

christo.

[BarbaPanagos]

according to Andy it's an OBB Bm, available in model form by Railtop (No: 32203.2)
I don't know if there is a Roco one available...

[christo]

In Phil's photos the doors of the OBB carriage look to be recessed but in the model they look flush with the body. What do you think?

christo.

[Andreas]

In Phil's photos the doors of the OBB carriage look to be recessed but in the model they look flush with the body. What do you think?

Hi Christo,

if you look carefully you will see that the door is not recessed but flush. It looks like that because the door is open! Look at the second door of the coach and you will see that it is flush!

Cheers
Andreas

[Sky]

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Photo Phil Wormald January 1994

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Photo Phil Wormald January 1996

Can anyone identify what model will be suitable for the OBB carriage behind the Alco. Both Phil's photos are of the Hellas 334 leaving NES Thessaloniki for Idomeni.

christo.

Christo, there is no model of this OBB carriage! The mentioned RailTop model could be used as a substitution, but they are not of the same type!
The carriage In Phil's photos is an older type with recessed doors.
Here is the photo of the carriage (taken from http://www.tramways.at/):

[christo]

Sky,

Thank you ever so much. I remember seeing the OBB recessed door carriage, but after so many years and with no photographic evidence, the mind plays games.

christo.

[Sky]

Sky,

Thank you ever so much. I remember seeing the OBB recessed door carriage, but after so many years and with no photographic evidence, the mind plays games.

christo.

You are welcome, Christo! I am trying to help as much as I can....

[Sky]

Summer 1995 at Thessaloníki Station, an OBB Bcmz with the 1410/1411 (Thessaloníki - Wien). Next to this is a JZ WRm dinning car.
photo: Fr. Elliott

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LS Models 47045, a really great model in HO.

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I especially like these OBB coaches, and the new LS models are just fantastic, with all the fine detail we now expect from companies like LS and ACME!

The same OBB couchette car type, but in blue livery (behind the JŽ car), at Thessaloniki station, Sep 1990. (Photo Phil Wormald):