SEK 1950s Italian Coaches

[christo]

Photo Balkanmodels: April 2001 at NES Thessaloniki. A closer shot of the same Post carriage 5073 9160 822-5 as in the previous photo.

christo.

[Andreas]

One question about these baggage vans. Did they have from one side 1 sliding door and from the other side 2? Or were there two types of these?

Cheers
Andreas

[christo]

Andreas,

From what I understand the following ex Italian baggage cars existed.

Δφπτ 1401-1410
Later 5073 9260 812, 813, 815, 816, 819 and 5073 9240 801, 804, 807, 808, 810.
These were the longer ones 22,712mm and looked in appearance similar to the AB and B carriages with doors and footsteps in each of the four corners of the vehicle.

Δφπτ 1321-1324
Later 5073 9160 821-824
These were shorter 20,700mm and had no doors and footsteps in the corners but two double sliding doors on both sides of the vehicle.

Εφπτ 901-906
Later 5073 9060 881-886
These were also short 20,700mm, with no doors and footsteps in the corners but they had only one sliding door on each side.

christo.

[Andreas]

Hi Christo,

thanks for the answer. I have my external hard disk with me and I could take a look in my documents and pictures also from other classe of coaches.

I think I found the the answer myself with a minor correction to your invalauble data.

There were 3 type of baggage/mail coaches. I will correct the designation of Δφπτ 1321-1324 το ΔΕφπτ 1321-1324. The two doors on each side indicate a mixes mail/baggage coach. One door was for the mail and the other for the baggage. There are also other coaches that were build for SEK before the war and are like that. I found this lettering also in a 1974 OSE list that give the old numbers.

The other coaches Eφπτ 901-906 are pure mail coaches, though I could not verify the running numbers. Maybe Jason can help us.

Cheers
Andreas

[GAZKGK]

Hello christo and Andreas,

You are actually talking about the same coaches...., but let me add a few minor corrections.

The mixed luggage-post coaches (ΔΕφπτ and not Δφπτ, as Andreas said correctly) were initially 5, numbered ΔΕφπτ 1321-1325. They were later renumbered as 50 73 91-60 821-825. However the last one, 50 73 91-60 825-8, was destroyed in Doxaras accident on 16/01/1972 and that's why it is not mentioned in later lists.

As Andreas said, the ΔΕφπτ had two doors on each side. Two for the post compartment, and two for the luggage compartment.

The six post coaches were initially numbered Εφπτ 1641-1646. Their first renumbering according to UIC-RIC was to 50 73 90-60 901-906 (not Εφπτ 901-906), and finally all of them, probably except 90-60 901-8, were renumbered again to 50 73 90-60 882-886. (Since then, some of them were renumbered once more, as they were converted to maintenance and auxiliary vehicles.)

This time, with one door per side.

Both of these classes, ordered via contract 1037/50, were built by "Industrie Stabiensi Mecc. & Navali - AVIS - C/mmare di Stabia" in 1952, and their design was quite similar with the pre-war ΔΕφστ 1311-1314 (mixed luggage-post) and Εφστ 1635-1638 (post only) - 1926 Austrian coaches.

[christo]

Photo Balkanmodels: June 1995 at the Carriage Shed Thessaloniki. Visible on the right, at the end of the stationary rake, an Italian Post Carriage, otherwise known as Andreas' Italian job .

christo.

[Georgegala]

What about the numbering of the A, B, AB coaches?

[Mon]

...We might have only 32 members in this forum but there are 100s of guest visitors every day browsing our pictures....

...and thinking of some SEK/OSE models - I am one of them.
I am interested of all possible H0 models of SEK/OSE seen entering/transiting Yugoslavia before year 1991.
Unfortunately, I cannot contribute so much with material like you, other hobby colleagues on this Forum, but I can be 1+ possible buyer so the price of the producing of models could be little bit lower (I hope so).

Here we have one of Δφπτ as a part of Simplon Orient Express in 1960, at Miravci station, about 25km from GR-YU border probably on the way to Skopje-Niš-Beograd.
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Photo by Marc Dahlström.

[jsimantov]

Hi All,

A small correction here: the shown consist, probably train 220 is actually heading south to the Greek border!

The baggage/conductor car behind the 01 (the 'Nula Jedna' as she was known among the JZ staff) was usually a standard FS car; Although the SEK cars were quite similar (but not identical), I don't recall having seen any of them in international traffic. Every time I have seen the 220/221 and later the 262/263, the conductor car was always FS...

Iossif

[Mon]

Thank you for your correction Iossif, yes, you have right, the train is heading to Greece.

If the year of taking of that photo is correct (1960) it is the part of SOE on it.
On SOE and even later on Direct Orient Ex/Athenes Ex (train 225PO/224OP), the luggage/staff cars between Athene and Belgrade were SEK, some info says sometimes/days even JZ.
There is an interesting scheme on Trains-worldexpresses. We can see SEK “Italians” as a part of 1962/63 Direct Orient consist, SEK luggage cars too (red lined squares).
Train-worldexpress says that the "D" SEK cars were seen in Munich too (Direct Orient 1965).


http://trains-worldexpresses.com/200/208.htm
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Question for the administrators: Is it possible to open a new part of this forum with name "Model-train consist in/to/from Greece" or something like that (I cannot find some) ?
Maybe it could be helpful to find possible models and build the right train composition in/to/from Greece.
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